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| South Africa's Mbeki out hosted by Administrator |
| The South African President Thabo Mbeki has stepped down from presidency after being asked by his party to do so. What lessons does this have for African politics and leadership? |
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| COUNTRY FIRST THEN PARTY. authored by Robert Maseruka on 14. January 2009 at 19:54 |
Some untouchables in the ruling party in Uganda should copy such things we need to be mature and see the difference between a party and a country. We dont need the intevetion of the president if an individual makes mistakes and the party protects him because he is from tha ruling party.
Uganda still needs education about multpartisism to learn which is bigger the party or the country.
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| ha ha ha. authored by Ammar Bongo on 22. October 2008 at 00:35 |
| Comrade,yes it is true the S.African constitution talks about the procedure of impeaching a president.they all do. but what does the ANC constitution say about impeaching a president?i told you once and i will tell you again that the ANC is one of the most organized political parties in Africa.remember in some multi party democracies we have situations where a winning party takes the initiative of nominating respective candidates to respective positions provided they tow the party line.is this lack of democracy?or is it imposed democracy? then how truly do you define democracy?What happened to Mbeki-whether influence peddling,conflict of interest(like our temangalo issue) or mafia ism call it what you may,but for me i say the man lost popularity from both the common wananchi and party structures amidst a lot of domestic and international contradictions (refer to Mr.Dominics'"Mbekis'poor industrialisation policies and xenophobic attacks"),otherwise let every sheep carry its own cross. |
| President Mbeki to step down is a political game! authored by Muvunyi Gerard on 21. October 2008 at 00:55 |
Mr Bongo,
My position still there! Mbeki resignation, instigated by his own party leaves the ANC and South Africa in an unstable state in my opinion because of the following. The recall on president is a political game by his critics. The way issue was handled leaves one to think whether went through democrac way. The whole process was fraught with uncertainty. Accoirding to the SA constitution, the party could have to have a vote of no confidence to recall the president, but must be done on specific grounds such as when the president had committed a serious violation of the constitution or been responsible for serious misconduct, or was unable to perform the functions of office. From such situation, the parliament can pass a motion of no-confidence and from there then the president and the other members of the cabinet ministers could resign. But this is not what we saw because Mbeki’s own part faction was not quite sure if they can map up a two thirds of the ANC to remove Mbeki! In this case they had no option besides lobbying the ruling party's National Executive Committee to adopt a resolution to remove Mbeki!
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| The problem here is... authored by deon on 20. October 2008 at 03:27 |
| The problem here is when you are advising, no one will want to listen to you. -they all turn a deaf ear. I think the best thing probably to do is to let each individual to see things with their own eyez. Sorry that it will be too late though....Then you will be a laughing stalk because you refused to listen to advice. |
| ha ha ha. authored by Ammar Bongo on 20. October 2008 at 02:22 |
Its so interesting Mr.Gerrard to think that the ANC did a wrong thing by recalling its president from public service.I want to assure you that the ANC is one of the oldest political parties in Africa which evolved over time until where it has reached where the party is above both individuals and titles. the ANC in fact did a very good thing by paving way(showing) other political organizations that a party can at times grow stronger than individuals even if they occupy the highest office in the land.what we can learn here is that all political parties should strive to create and maintain clear systems which prepare party structures to surpass those of individuals.The question here however is how many African heads of states are willing to create or put in place structures which will make their political parties stronger than them???i wonder.
To whom it may concern you made mi laugh with that traditional definition of Africans and their modus operandi.im disappointed however because its the colonialists who made us think that all the brilliant and strong Africans were taken to work in white men plantations in Europe and America.i mean look at our new African generation-mobile phones are there,the internet is there and i mean, if i could i could classify that reasoning as the highest treason to the African sovereignty in modern society.its up to the current African generation to change this colonial ideologies by living up to their challenges and expectations.It starts with me and you. |
| Mbeki resignition is not because he has committed a crime! authored by Muvunyi Gerard on 19. October 2008 at 01:07 |
In my opinion I see no good lesson. Mbeki has not committed a crime nor accused of corruption like those in his party calling him to step down. I am saying , It was not logical at all for president Mbeki to step down just because his party said so? Of course as a man of integrity , Mbeki has shown the way a leader who wants to lead must listen to the people, but leaving this out, South Africa like many other African countries needs stability . The resigniation of SA Predent in that way could cause instability within the government and the country in general! As a country of reference to other African countries such problems can not only affect SA but entire continent and this for me could have considerd by his party more impornt than other political agendas. |
| It is all in the name authored by senoga on 17. October 2008 at 19:50 |
"...i mean.. i'm tallking 4 kids here!!!!!." - to whom...
The man had form. He named his fourth son (by his daughter, that is) Saddam. Saddam! Why he didn't choose somber names like Abdul, Kassim or Khalid we will never know but by opting for Saddam tells much about this man's state of mind - selfish and abusing!
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| copy from Mbeki's resignition.Authored by mbajjwe rogers. authored by mbajjwe rogers on 14. October 2008 at 14:56 |
| Editor .please other presidential leaders should take Mbeki's example as serious in order to aviod violence foremple:in Kenya during 27 december 2007 elections. |
| please gentlemen, authored by Ammar Bongo on 14. October 2008 at 00:18 |
| First of all Mr. to whom it may concern you should know that its increasingly difficult to compare different african countries using different contexts-in this case Mbekis resignation.South african blacks for instance put up a very long anti apartheid struggle against the whites who were the minority.we had a conflict of whites vs blacks.it is under such circumstances that many blacks joined the ANC,bellieved in it and died for it with a common (black) goal of fighting apartheid and they ensured this by seting up strong political and mobilisation structures on the ground(see mandelas long walk to freedom). Uganda on the other hand had a lot of political infighting where ugandans were fighting fellow ugandans since independence(blacks vs blacks).uganda has therefeore achieved recent stability but with a disgruntled section of ugandans and it is this section of ugandans who have made it increasingly difficult for our leaders to follow in mbekis footsteps because we lack tha common black internal cohesion force to come up with a common position of say the separation of a political parties from the government of the day. |
| PPRESIDENT MBEKI'S FATE IS FLAGRANTLY EXEMPLARY TO POLITICAL INTERIM EXTREMISTS. authored by oryema harrison emoi on 13. October 2008 at 12:13 |
Editor:-The drastic action that has been incredibly undertaken by the African National Congress (ANC)to determine the fate of Thabo Mbeki's unpopular leadership according to this union is extremely tactiful because not only the xenophobic act in south Africa is to be considered in this context but also corruption as well .Cynically to some African leaders who are clinging on power already have their similar fates being predestined and they are to a greater extend languishing in the dust bin of history.A part from that their is agent need to tackle the ideas of pseudo -Democray in Africa since most semi-democratically elected leaders have both democratic and military power as a contigent alternative to remain in power.Further more it could be of great value if all presidential elections in Africa is being monitored by the African union (AU) body as well as following directives from the international community like the United Nations organization as a possibility of avoiding blood shed, waste of resources and political instability.
By Oryema Harrison emoi.(B.DEV'T Studies,makerere university) |
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